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      CA-forum #6 - minutes

 

      3 Feb 1995

 

 

 

 

A.  December Upgrade. (WEW/DMcK)

 

1. Dynamic Hold now installed and working.  CACOR will accept a request

(prior to any integration) for a hold which is a multiple of the

CAIN-specified HOLD INCREMENT.

 

Warnings:

 

a.  The Increment should be a multiple of the switched CAL cycle (128 ms);

512ms is recommended.

 

b.  CACOR allows a Hold of up to 50 multiples of Increment

- This puts a limit of 20 sec max integration cycle with the default.

 

>>> CAIN should perhaps check that these conditions are not violated.

 

>>> It would be desirable to be able to monitor the HOLD - camon/status?

 

 

2.  The sampler statistics are now collected and the sampler levels

reset within a cycle. (contrary to the statement in CA-forum #5 minutes).

-- Narrabri to run some further tests (eg, on Centaurus) to confirm that all

is well.

 

3.  The drive-time algorithm is now in place and linked to the

dynamic hold.

 

 

==> Except for the digital synch demods (see below) the mosaicing

questions raised earlier have now been resolved.

 

 

4.  The (uvw) written to RPFITS are not corrected for HOLD.  The

modifications to CAOBS (M.Calabretta) and CACOR (WEW) will be installed

in the april shutdown.

 

 

5.  Other problems now fixed/warnings:

 

- Integration times up to 30 seconds are now possible. (Narrabri to run

some further tests to confirm).

 

 

- Averaging during mosaicing should be avoided.

 

 

B.  Digital Sync Demods.

 

George Graves has completed the Seti work, and has committed himself to an

April 3 target.

 

 

C.  Fractional MHz at Narrabri.

 

It was agreed that the on-line option should be defeated, and all

references to it be removed from the documentation (eg, the user-guide).

 

Sched will be modified (MJK) to enforce this, with a warning.

 

One additional argument advanced by WEW was the problem of the 128 MHz

harmonics.  With integral MHz LO settings, the interference will be

confined to a single channel;  The interference will distributed

over many channels if the correlator provides a fractional MHz shift.

 

 

D.  Data quality.

 

Neil Killeen provided a list of discussion points - attached to these minutes.

This list was not given all the attention it deserved - we should return to

this subject next month.  A preliminary list of recommendations is attached:

 

1.  Visibility phase stability.  An effort should be made to characterise

the site -- just how good/bad is the site?  Is the LO system working?

 

Observations of strong calibrators will be made whenever time is free

(eg, night-time after reconfiguration, maintenance).

 

All calibrator observations should be siphoned off to a separate file,

along with the LO round trip phase data. 

 

>>> DMcK to investigate.

 

 

2.  Standard fields (eg, a strong point source offset from the field

centre) should be observed on a regular basis, possibly after

each reconfiguration.

 

3.  How often do we really need to run CACAL?  Only after a power problem

should a new delay calibration be required.

 

>>>  Reference CACAL could be run on all bands after a reconfiguration.

These should provide good delay settings.  Users should be free to change

these, but most observers should be able to use the reference settings.

 

 

Neil Killeen adds:

 

 

                       Delay Matters

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There was discussion over delays.  Why do we continually need to set

them (i.e.  every 12 hours).  The discussion was centred largely on

spectral-line observations where observers cannot usefully set their

delays with CACAL because there is insufficient SNR.  Of course, at

narrow band, the delays do not have to be very good, so there is

actually no need for a high SNR setting.  However, they need something

in the right ball park.  Also there was the question of the N*128MHz

birdies causing bad CACAL computations.

 

 

 

Birdies

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It is suggested that CACOR automatically excise channels containing

birdies when it computes the delay from the phase slope across the

bandpass.  This should be straightforward as the birdies occur at

integral multiples of 128MHz and the frequency at the centre of the band

must be an integral MHz.  At 128MHz bandwidth observations, the

birdie will ring into adjacent channels.   Thus, eliminating three

channels centred on the birdie should be adequate at all bandwidths.

 

>>>> WEW advises that the modifications are in hand and will be implemented

at the next shutdown (april).

 

 

Note that in the future when we devise a system to observe with the band

centre at a fractional MHz (necessary for the narrow band filters to

come), that the birdie may straddle channels.  However, eliminating

3 channels should still deal with the bulk of the interfering signal

so that delay and gain are adequately measured.

 

Discussion about eliminating the birdies themselves indicated that

progress is slow in tracking down exactly where they are entering the

system.  It was felt that it is important they be eliminated, but that a

substantial effort would be required to do so.

 

 

 

 

Computation of delays

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The delay system works as follows.  There is a table of transmission

times for each antenna station, that accounts for the basic large delay.

This is updated as necessary, but should be basically static and is

always applied.  All delays referred to below are offsets to these

values which will be taken as implicitly applied.  There is then a

global delay worked out by the staff at reconfiguration.  This global

delay should be small, of the order of tens of ns (as it is relative to

the transmission times file).  This delay is common to all frequencies.

Running CACAL then generates an offset which is added to the global

solution to generate the working delay.

 

The system uses the delays from the closest frequency if you do not set

them yourself.  In principle, the offset delay table should be reinitialized

at each reconfiguration.  It is possible that this does not always

happen, whereupon you might end up with delays from several months ago, but

this should not pose any problems.  (Experiments are needed to determine

whether differential delays within a band vary with time - at this stage

we know only of variations in the global delays).

 

 

Here are two ways to deal with the spectral-line delay issue.

 

1) Work out the delays in a 128MHz bandwidth first at the frequency of

your interest.  Then switch to your spectral-line configuration.  This

suffers from the problem that you have to mess about reprogramming the

correlator.  In addition, the broad band measurement may suffer from

intereference (e.g.  18 cm) and still not be useful.

 

2) Examination of the current set of delays in the data base suggests

that the working delay varies between the 4 frequency bands by an amount

of the order of 10ns.  Thus, using the global delay should be adequate

for any narrow band experiment.  It is unlikely anyway, that even at

8MHz bandwidth and using 1934-638 at 20cm that you could set them much

more accurately than this.

 

CACAL offers you the possibility to reset the offset so that you can use

the global value.  However, as most people are not aware of the details

of how this system works (nor should they need to be), or when they

should reset, this causes considerable confusion.

 

We suggest then that CACAL be modified, so that when it determines that

there is insufficient SNR to adequately determine the delays in a

spectral-line observation, that it automatically sets the appropriate

offset to zero and offers the global delay as the working delay with

some soothing messages.  This would be straight forward to implement.

 

In the longer term, perhaps we should consider working towards

eliminating the need for observers to have to set the delays, or at

least offer them an excellent fall back, even in broad band

observations.  In this case, we must characterize the variation of the

delay across each band as well as from band to band.  If the variation

across the band is very small (less that a couple of tenths of a ns),

then a predetermined global offset for EACH BAND (requiring changes to

the appropriate data base [SACCOM]) would be adequate.  However,

seasonal and probably to a lesser degree diurnal variations will cause

these global delays to vary.  Thus, we would need to determine them

periodically, probably weekly (as is the case at the VLA).

 

Some data will be taken to investigate some of these latter issues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Attachment - Neil Killeen's thoughts on data quality.

 

 

We will return to these matters at next month's meeting.

 

 

Fundamental question.  What is RAW data and what isn't.  Where do

  we draw the line between trying to undo things if they get stuffed

  up ?  When should the observer have to reobserve ?  This issue usually

  causes severe emotional responses from some people. 

 

 

What do observers need in order to assess the quality of their data ?

  I.e., why is this piece of data mucked up. Is it recoverable or not.

  I am thinking of this in an offline sense rather than online,

  as we will evolve towards a system where observers do not go to the

  ATCA all the time, and may just receive their data on a CD Rom.

 

 

Is the quality of ATCA data sufficiently good now that we can just

  discard obviously wrong data and not be concerned with why it was

  wrong ? 

 

 

Do subtle things still go wrong for long periods of time that this

  approach is not good enough ?    How can we improve this (FAULTY

  or ASSISTANCE) ?

 

 

Are there additional corrections that could be made for high dynamic

  range imaging that require ancillary data currently not stored

  or measured ?

 

 

What additional pieces of data would be useful to look into subtle

  problems, after the data have been taken.  That is, what should be

  stored with the RPFITS file ?

 

 

Should the FAULTY project (expert system) be resurrected ?

 

 

Are the XY phases good enough ? Can we apply them on-line and

 forget about them ?

 

 

Should we have a simple algorithm running on line that expunges

obviously bad data ?

 

Do the inexperienced observers get sufficient good advice

from DA's and local staff.  That is, are observations made

as effectively as possible ??     Is the DA system good enough ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

What we store with the RPFITS file now

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. Visibilities

. Pulsar bin number

. uvw

. Observed frequency

. UT time

. Astronomical coordinates

    mean only is stored. Apparent is lost and although recomputed,

    not with the accuracy of the online ephemeris.  This also means

    that uvw and parallactic angle are in error if recomputed.

. Integration time (allowing for HOLD and BLANK)

 

. XY phases and amplitudes (averaged over band, no spectrum saved

  unless special correlator config. concocted with losses elsewhere)

 

. Tsys

. Sampler statistics (corrections for imperect sampler stats done

  on line now.  Relies on DC level being close to correct [usually

  true], and sampler not being too far wrong [hard to quantify,

  efforts so far have failed).

 

. Parallalactic angle

. Antenna locations

. Flag.  Spectrum flagged good or bad by on-line system.

 

 

 

What is there already space for in the RPFITS file that we do not use ?

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. Basically, a variety of tables.  A new table can always be created

 for any new quantity, but a table is SCAN based by definition.

 

  Currently the only unused or empty table included in the original

  definition of RPFITS is the MT (meteorological) table,

  containing time, pressure, temperature, and humidity

 

 

 

 

Can we add other integration based ancillary data to an RPFITS file ?

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. Yes, the table where quantities such as Tsys, XYphase etc are

  stored can be extended (with some pain). This allows for

  integration based quantities for each frequency and antenna.

  Quantities that are polarization dependent (samplers, Tsys) are

  stored by as a different parameter.  I.e. polarization is

  not a column in the table.

 

 

 

What else might we like to store/know ?

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  . CACAL (online calibration program) determined quantities such as

     the applied delay, gain (amplitude and phase), polarization

     leakage (not yet).   Scan based.

 

  . Local Oscillator Round Trip Phase which provides a measure of

    the phase stability of the system with time.  Integration based.

    Should be undoable but is it worth it ?

   

 

  . What the pointing model being applied was.  This would

    be SCAN based.  Local pointing solutions would cause this

    to change with time.  In principle the pointing can be undone

    if you know the primary beam to large radii and azimuthally.

    VERY nasty.   May be relevant for high precision flux density

    measurement.

 

  . What the atmosphere is doing (P,T, Humidity, wind velocity)

    This could be integration based, but SCAN bases is probably good

    enough.  This offers better refractive index phase corrections

    with standard atmosphere models.  SHould go into local

    pointing model ?

 

  . Doppler velocity of observatory

 

  . What the focus position is.  Integration based ???

 

  . Ephemeris information allowing accurate recomputation of

    uvw etc

 

  . Pulsar ephemeris

 

  . Where the SUN is

 

  . What the SCAN type is

 

  . What the ionosphere is doing with time.   This is impractical in real

    time, but we do have software to compute the RM(t) from the

    IPS data base (A Kukushkin).  Needs to be integrated with data.

 

  . What Array the observation was made with

 

  . Latitude and longitude of observatory (usualyy programs use

    a data base, which may or may not be accurate).  Altitude

    of observatory (relevant to atmospheric models ??)

 

  . 

 

 

Major types of data problems encountered today are:

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  . Atmosphere

 

  . Interference (await total collapse of Russian Economy)

 

  . Mismatch between data and array (i.e. dynamic range / uv

    coverage)

 

  . Lousy calibrators at 13/20 cm

 

  . LO distribution

 

  . Probably pointing

 

  . New observing modes (e.g. Mosaicing tricks)

 

  . ??? 

 

 

 

 

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